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DEBATE BETWEEN SUBHASHINI ALI AND AMARESH MISRA

December 21, 2008

DEBATE BETWEEN SUBHASHINI ALI AND AMARESH MISRA

i said this earlier and i am saying it again now – is this kind of theorizing supposed to be supportive of muslims? if it is, nothing could be more misguided and further from the truth. what is it all supposed to mean – please refer to misra’s earlier mail where he felt that the attack on nariman house was the work of mossad i.e. mossad was targetting jews in bombay …. why? no explanation needed.
and now – this arrant nonsense.
anyway, please do not forget that karkare also broke the Indian Mujahideen network story and helped to smash it. or was that a mossad agent disguised as karkare who did that? nothing is too farfetched to convince the mentally deranged.

subhashini ali

I thought SUBHASHINI you had the sense to see reality–Prakash Karat and Sitaram Yechuri are supporting my demand for a judicial probe in Karkare’s death. Akhilendra Pratap Singh is with me totally. You say why the MOSSAD will kill jews? Are you so much of a psuedo-leftist not to see that MOSSAD which can destroy hundreds of thousands lives all over the middle-east, why can’t it kill its own people? Probably you have not come across my article `Further evidence of Mossad involvement’; the people in Nariman House could have been `Sayanims’–now of course your limited knowledge will not know what Sayanim means–it stands for those Jews who live outside Israel and who ARE COMMITTED TO DIE FOR MOSSAD. YOU CAN GO AND TYPE SAYANIM AND MOSSAD ON GOOGLE.

But of course people like you have made a career out of mediocrity–till people like you are in the Left, the Congress will remain a hundred times more progressive. You do not read; you have no knowledge of UP or India or International relations or Zionism (ask Prakash he shall explain); you are a defensive psuedo-secularist.

Sitaram Yechuri had the sense to say that Mumbai attacks are an indirect product of the Indo–US nuclear deal–do you have the guts to call him mentally deranged? Because Yechuri said exactly what I said–that India is getting into the US-Israel orbit, which has brought nothing but death, destruction, INFILTRATION and subversion of sovereignity of its `ally’ nations.

Do you know one fact? Have you ever sat with an army officer? The whole Indian army is talking about what I am saying. They are just not authorized to speak out. Just 500 metres away from Nariman house, there is a grenadier batallion; it was ready to strike by 11 pm on 26th November. BUT THE MAHARASHTRA GOVERNMENT REFUSED TO ORDER THE BATALLION; THEY WAITED FOR THE NSG TILL IT ARRIVED BY 5PM–ANY PROBE ON THIS WILL REVEAL THAT HAD THE MAHARASHTRA GOVERNMENT WANTED THEY COULD HAVE SAVED LIVES.

DO YOU KNOW THAT TILL DATE MUMBAI POLICE, THE NUMBER ONE CRIMINAL FORCE IN INDIA, DAWOOD’S RIGHT HAND FORCE, IS HANDLING THE INVESTIGATIONS? THE MUMBAI ATTACK IS A MATTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY–THEN WHY IT THAT A NATIONAL AGENCY IS NOT INVESTIGATING IT. DIGVIJAY SINGH IS SUPPORTING MY THESIS ABOUT MOSSAD INVOLVEMENT.

YOU ONLY HAVE THE SUPPORT OF SANGHIS, ANTI-NATIONALS AND SCUM OF THE EARTH LIKE MANOJ PADHI AND MANJU SAINATH. YOU DO NOT DESERVE TO BE PART OF THE LEFT. MANOJ PADHI IS SUCH AN ASSHOLE AND DUMB THAT HE DOES NOT EVEN KNOW THAT I WROTE A TWO VOLUME BOOK ON 1857, AND THAT EVEN THE RSS HAD TO PRAISE ME FOR THAT. MANOJ PADHI WROTE ME A MAIL WHICH GAVE THE `PROOF’ OF RSS’ INVOLVEMENT IN THE FREEDOM MOVEMENT–AND WHAT WAS THAT EXAMPLE? THAT RSS CADRES SAVED HINDUS IN JAMMU DURING THE 1948 INDO-PAK WAR.

PADHI–I WILL PERSONALLY BEAT YOU UP BECAUSE YOU PEOPLE SUPPORT THE KILLERS OF GANDHI AND KARKARE–YOU TWIST FACTS–YOU REPRESENT THE DISINFORMATION THE RSS IS FAMOUS FOR. YOU PLAN THE MURDER OF HUNDREDS OF INNOCENTS; DON’T YOU KNOW THAT INDIA ACHIEVED INDEPENDENCE IN 1947–SO YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT RSS’ INVOLVEMENT IN THE FREEDOM STRUGGLE AFTER INDEPENDENCE! YOU FOOL NOW YOU SEE–LET ALL PEOPLE IN THE JHARKHAND GROUP SEE PADHI’S HYPOCRISY. AND LET THEM SEE THAT SUBHASHINI IS SUPPORTING A SANGHI WHO WILL FIRST KILL LEFT CADRES IF HE COMES TO POWER.

YES THE TERRORISTS CAME FROM PAKISTAN. THAT DOES NOT PROVE A THING. THEY COULD VERY WELL HAVE BEEN DAWOOD’S MEN OR HIRED MERCENARIES. THEIR COMING FROM PAKISTAN DOES NOT TAKE AWAY THE FACT THAT KARKARE’S FILE CONTAINED THE UNCOMFORTABLE TRUTH THAT INDRANESH, AN ACCUSED IN THE MALEGAON BLAST CASE, TOOK 3 CRORES FROM ISI–YOU PSUEDO LEFTISTS HAVE NEVER QUESTIONED THE RSS-ISI-MOSSAD CONNECTION. YOU KNOW THAT DURING ADVANI’S TENURE POLICE PERSONALS WERE SENT TO ISRAEL FOR TRAINING–WHY?.

YOU WERE QUIET ALL ALONG WHEN MUSLIMS WERE BEING TORUTRED, THEIR WOMEN WERE BEING RAPED IN POLICE STATIONS, BROTHERS WERE BEING ASKED TO RAPE SISTERS BY RAKESH MARIA–YES THE SAME MAN WHO IS NOW HEADING THE MUMBAI INVESTIGATION. SHOW ME ONE STATEMENT OF YOURS ABOUT TORTURE ON SALIM KHAN DURRANI OF TONK.

YOU ARE DISGRACE IN THE NAME NOT OF LEFT BUT HUMANITY.

dear all
amaresh’s response to what i had written is a bit off course.
i absolutely endorse my party’s stand that the indo-us strategic alliance and also the strong ties with israel are creating a very dangerous situation for india. we are not going to gain anything and we are courting many dangers.
also i do not hold a brief for the mumbai police and their investigating capacaties. we have all read the sri krishna commission report and seen the complete paralysis of the maharashtra govts in implementing its recommendations.
it is the habit of going into denial that many people are revealing themselves to be addicted to. the hindutva brigade is feigning denial among large sections of hindus about involvement of its members in terrorist activities – something that my party has been in the forefront of asserting and also demanding action against.
asking for an enquiry is not the same as advancing a theory or accepting the innocence/guilt of any of the people involved in the incident. demanding an enquiy into the batla house encounter – as my party has been the first to do – is certainly not the same as expressing belief in the innocence of those killed and arrested. as i had mentioned earlier it was none other than hemant karkare who, along with others in the maharashtra police, who had tracked the indian mujahideen and its links and members – an organisation that many secular and muslim friends believe to be a figment of the imagination of muslim-baiters. it seems hypocritical to believe that karkare’s right hand was secular and his left, communal. i think that he was an honest man doing his job as intelligently and honestly as possible. his death is truly a most tragic incident.
the vicious response of the shiv sena and sangh parivar to karkare’s investigations into hindutva terror is utterly shameful and condemnable. and these same persons did a complete turnaround after his death and began to hail him as a martyr – this is what should outrage all of us and make us recognise these forces for what they are.
i am afraid that outrageous theories which seem to be making the point that ALL terrorist acts are the work of hindutva forces or cia or mossad and have no muslim involvement whatsover only creates a fog behind which, once again, the sangh parivar makes a bid for a little respectability and credibility.
subhashini ali

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subhashini ali

Dear All,

To Subhashini’s point that “hemant karkare who, along with others in the maharashtra police, who had tracked the indian mujahideen and its links and members – an organisation that many secular and muslim friends believe to be a figment of the imagination of muslim-baiters. it seems hypocritical to believe that karkare’s right hand was secular and his left, communal”, I must add that she has again not read or bothered to follow events in Maharashtra. She has simply gone by hearsay.
I knew Karkare; had spoken to him on phone after he started the Malegaon blast investigation. We have a family connection–but that is not the point here. The thing which completely shatters Subhashini’s insecure stance and which isolates her in her own party, IS THE FACT THAT KARKARE AFTER STARTING THE MALEGAON INVESTIGATION CALLED A MEETING OF MUSLIM LEADERS AND EXPRESSED HIS APOLOGY FOR TARGETING MUSLIMS ON THE SO-CALLED INDIAN MUJAHEEDIN ISSUE. HE SAID SPECIFICALLY THAT HE WAS MISLED IN BELIEVING THAT INDIAN MUSLIMS WERE INVOLVED WITH IM. DO NOT BELIEVE ME? CALL DR. AZIMUDDIN AT 09869078668 OR MUNAWWAR KHAN AT 09819180416 RIGHT NOW AND SPEAK TO THEM. THEY ARE RESPONSIBLE LEADERS WHO MEDIATE BETWEEN THE MUMBAI POLICE AND MUSLIMS OF MUMBAI. IN FACT KARAKRE IN THE MALEGAON INVESTIGATION WAS LEADING TO A CONCLUSION THAT IM IS A FIGMENT OF THE IMAGINATION OF THE MUMBAI POLICE WHICH HAS BEEN KNOWN TO INVENT STORIES TO PERSECUTE MUSLIMS.
WAIT TILL KARAKRE’S FILE IS OPEN–YOU WILL FIND THIS ASPECT IN THESE VERY SAME WORDS–SOME OPPORTUNIST FOOLS LIKE JAVED ANAND, JAVED AKHTAR AND SHABANA AZMI, WHO CANNOT ATTEND A MEETING OF EITHER MUSLIMS OR HINDUS IN MUMBAI BECAUSE THEY WILL BE BEATEN UP, AND WHO ARE ONLY HOSTED BY SHIV-SENA OR THE BJP OR THE MUMBAI POLICE, OR SOME SELF-STYLED PSUEDO-SECULARISTS, UNNECCESARILY GO ON HARPING THAT `THE MUSLIM ROLE IN TERROR ATTACKS SHOULD BE ALSO INVESTIGATED…WE SHOULD ALSO CONDEMN COMMUNAL ELEMENTS IN OUR RANKS AND ALL THAT BULLSHIT’. MY QUESTION IS HAVE AS MANY INVESTIGATION AS YOU WANT–ARREST AS MANY MUSLIM SUSPECTS AS YOU WANT–BUT DO NOT TORTURE THEM–DO NOT DETAIN THEM ILLEGAL AND DO NOT GO JUST BY THE PRESUMPTION THAT ALL MUSLIMS ARE TERRORISTS ETC WHICH THE MUMBAI POLICE LOVES DOING. DO YOU KNOW ABOUT THE KHWAJA YUNUS CASE? DO YOU KNOW THAT THERE ARE 156 AFFIDAVITS BEFORE AGAINST RAKESH MARIA AND SEVERAL MUMBAI POLICE OFFICERS IN THE COURT? DO YOU KNOW THE TEHELKA STORY ON SIMI WRITTEN BY AJIT SAHI IN WHICH IT IS CLEAR THAT SIMI MEMBERS WERE NOT INVOLVED IN ANY SPECIFIC TERROR ATTACK?
THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SAYING I WILL DO THIS AND ACTUALLY DOING THAT–AS PER IPC LAWS YOU CANNOT BE PROSECUTED UNDER SECTION 302, IF YOU ONLY SAID I WILL KILL THIS OR THAT PERSON AND DID NOT ACTUALLY CARRY OUT THE THREAT.
WHAT SUBHASHINI IS SAYING IS GOING BEYOND THE ABSURD. SHE HAS LOST IT AS SHE IS SPEAKING AGAINST PARTY LINE. IN HER FIRST MAIL SHE ACCUSED ME OF IMAGINING THAT MOSSAD KILLED ITS OWN PEOPLE–THEN I WROTE BACK SAYING THE JEWS KILLED AT NARIMAN HOUSE MIGHT BE SAYANIMS AND MOSSAD COULD HAVE KILLED THEM.
SO NOW IN HER SECOND RESPONSE, SHE DOES NOT INCLUDE THAT POINT! SHE IS COMPLETELY SILENT ABOUT PADHI’S ABSURD STATEMENT ABOUT RSS BEING FREEDOM FIGHTERS BECAUSE THEY SAVED HINDUS IN JAMMU IN 1948 THAT IS AFTER INDIA ACHIEVED INDEPENDENCE!
HANG IM OR SIMI PEOPLE FOR ALL I CARE–BUT DO NOT PERSECUTE ORDINARY MUSLIMS AND FIRST PROVE YOUR CASE AGAINST SIMI OR IM.
WHY IS IT THAT THE DELHI HIGH COURT DECIDED TO LIFT THE BAN ON SIMI? ANSWER ME–ALL PSEUDO SECULARISTS AND COMMUNAL INDIVIDUALS–
THERE WAS NO PROOF AGAINST SIMI.

IMAGINE PSUEDO LEFTISTS LIKE SUBHASHINI WITH NO CREDBILITY TRYING TO BE MORE HARDLINE THAN EVEN THE BJP IN THE WHOLE ISSUE ON SIMI. LEAVE ALONE A MUSLIM, WHY WILL A MODERATE HINDU COME TO YOUR PATHETIC UP UNIT? HE OR SHE WILL FINDS LIBERALS LIKE TARUN TEJPAL AND EVEN CONGRESS MORE OPEN AND LESS JUDGMENTAL.

THE FACT IS THAT KARKARE WAS GIVING INDIA A HISTORIC OPPORTUNITY FOR UNMASKING THE REAL FACE OF TERROR–HINDUTVA TERRORISM–THESE PEOPLE KILLED GANDHI; THEY REVOLTED AGAINST THE SECULAR BASIS OF INDIAN STATE IN SEPTEMBER 1947; GOLWALKAR WAS FOUND WITH MAPS OF MUSLIM AREAS (FOR EXTERMINATION) IN UP–MAPS SUPLIED BY THE BRITISH. THEN AS PER INDIRA GANDHI RSS WAS IN COLLABORATION WITH THE CIA. IN THE 1980S CIA-MOSSAD AND THE ISI WORKED TOGETHER AGAINST SOVIET UNION–WHO CAN DENY THAT? AND THAT AFTER 1991 WHEN INDIA CHANGED ITS FOREIGN POLICY IN A PRO-ISRAEL DIRECTION, MOSSAD INFILTRATED INDIA–AND GUESS WHO HOSTED THEM–THE RSS WHICH ACTUALLY THEORIZES AN ALLIANCE BETWEEN HINDUISM-ZIONISM AND THE USA AGAINST THE MIDDLE EAST AND ISLAM.
NOW LET SUBHASHINI DEFEND THE RSS–SHE WILL BE BEST PERHAPS IN DOING THAT. THERE IS CLEAR EVIDENCE WITH THE HOME MINISTRY THAT DURING ADVANI’S TENURE AS THE HOME MINISTER, MOSSAD INFILTRATED THE HOME MINISTERY. RAJ KUMAR PUROHIT, THE MILITARY OFFICER ARRESTED BY KARKARE, WAS TRANING 500 HINDU BOYS IN TERRORISM–HERE YOU HAVE A CLEAR CASE OF TERROR CAMPS IN INDIA! ISN’T IT HYPOCRITCAL TO DEMAND THE END OF TERROR CAMPS IN PAKISTAN WHILE THEY EXIST IN INDIA! WHERE ARE PUROHIT’S 500 BOYS? THE GOVERNMENT HAS TO ANSWER THIS QUESTION.
ARREST THOSE 500 BOYS AND YOU WILL THE REAL FACE OF TERROR IN INDIA. TELL ME AGAIN, CITE ONE EXAMPLE OF A SIMI ACCUSED GETTING CONVICTED–WE DISAGREE WITH THEIR IDEOLOGY–SO ARE WE GOING TO HANG THEM JUST FOR THEIR IDEOLOGY?
SUBHASHINI IS NOW STANDING IN THE LEAGUE OF JAVED ANAND, RAJDEEP SARDESAI, OTHER BJP IDEALOGUES LIKE JASWANT SINGH, SWAPAN DASGUPTA ETC.
SHE IS DOING GREAT SERVICE TO HER FATHER’S PATRIOTIC MEMORY.

LIKE AKHILENDRA PRATAP SINGH AND SITARAM YECHURY I HAVE ONLY ASKED QUESTIONS–MOSSAD INVOLVEMENT IS POSSIBLE BECAUSE MOSSAD IS LINKED TO THE ISI AND THE RSS BOTH. WHY IS IT SO DIFFICULT TO COMPREHEND THIS? INDRANESH, AN ACCUSED IN THE MALEGAON CASE TOOK 300 CRORE RUPEES FROM ISI–WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO SAY TO THAT?

AMARESH MISRA

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COMMENTS POSTED ON THE TIMES OF INDIA WEBSITE OVER M.J. AKBAR’S ARTICLE: ‘Antulay is the Simi Garewal of Indian politics’, PUBLISHED SUNDAY, DEC. 21, 2008:

December 21, 2008

COMMENTS POSTED ON THE TIMES OF INDIA WEBSITE OVER M.J. AKBAR’S ARTICLE: ‘Antulay is the Simi Garewal of Indian politics’, PUBLISHED SUNDAY, DEC. 21, 2008:

Sunday, December 21, 2008

M. J. Akbar errs when he denigrates and demonizes Urdu press for voicing and articulating Urdu readership. After all they too are the citizens of this nation, they too have the right to freedom of thought and expression and they too have the right to vote. How do they become inferior to the elite that are ruling in their name? Urdu press has a glorious history of robust participation in freedom struggle. It is a pity that a journalist of such repute, should find it convenient to put down genuine voices of one section of our people, that is already marginalized. Now even their voices are being throttled.

It is time, Urdu press and Urdu readership should be made part of main street India as well as mainstream media. The Idea of India can never be complete without their full participation in mainstream life of nation. M. J. Akbar should better take note of his bias against people’s grass root sentiments that is more readily and extensively covered by the Urdu press than the glossy corporate English media ever can or will.

If Antulay is the Simi Garewal of Indian politics, it would appear appropriate, if M. J. Akbar should claim to be the Simi Garewal of Indian journalism.

Ghulam Muhammed, Mumbai

ghulammuhammed3@gmail.com
http://www.ghulammuhammed.wordpress.com

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MJ Akbar

Antulay is the Simi Garewal of Indian politics

21 Dec 2008, 0005 hrs IST, M J Akbar

There is, or should be, a well-defined line in media between the liberty of impression and the freedom of expression. Both are privileges of
democracy. Liberty of impression is the exhilarating-frightening roller coaster on which public discourse rides. Freedom of expression is cooled by the sprinkle of judgment, a mind that sieves speculation, allegation and accusation from the end-product that appears in print or on air.

There is outrage against the television coverage of Mumbai terrorism because television celebrities surrendered their judgment before the rising demand for hysteria. There is no supply without demand. The very audiences that sucked out hysteria from cable are now howling against its perpetrators. It is a human instinct to develop instant amnesia about one’s mistakes and sharpen knives with the vigour of humbugs the moment a scapegoat has been identified. The viewer is now seeking absolution through anger.

But the information market has been flooded with toxic weed. Hysteria is not the exclusive preserve of audio-visual junketeers. From the moment the terrorist violence hit Mumbai, much before the course of events evolved into a pattern, some sections of the Urdu press began pumping up circulation figures with fantasy fodder, in the shape of conspiracy theories, to a readership in search of denial. The conspiracy-in-chief was that this mayhem was nothing more than a plot to sabotage the investigation that ATS chief Karkare was conducting into the Malegaon blasts. The death of the police officer was declared instant martyrdom.

News media operates within a triangle of customer, producer and politician. A clever politician is a master chef in cooking up a broth of impression and expression. Since the customer is also a voter, the politician panders to street opinion by lifting it into the loftier realm of Parliament or television studio. The very act of transference gives implicit legitimacy to fantasy fodder.

Abdur Rahman Antulay is not in search of truth. He is in search of votes. He has become the Simi Garewal of Indian politics. Garewal saw a Pakistani flag fluttering on every Muslim housetop in Mumbai. Antulay sees a vote beyond every Muslim doorstep. Garewal was blinded by a low IQ. Antulay has turned myopic because one eye is stupid and the other cynical. But that is his secondary medical problem. His primary disease is cancer of the vote-bank.

If you want to understand Antulay’s and, by extension, the Congress’ compulsions, then take a look at an SMS I received on December 1: “Congress has been wiped out in Dhule corporation election. It could get only 3 seats out of 67.” Dhule is barely fifty kilometres from Malegaon. More than 30% of its electorate is Muslim.

As the minorities minister with the unique distinction of having done absolutely nothing for minorities, Antulay and his party face a meltdown in Maharashtra. If they cannot get even Muslim votes, they can forget about power and pelf in Delhi. He has therefore chosen to feed the Muslim with the comfort food of conspiracy theories, in the hope that this will drug him to the point where he loses his bearings until the April-May elections.

Will this succeed? Perhaps. It has succeeded before. But take a look at another SMS I received, announcing a meeting of the Maharashtra United Democratic Convention at Birla Matushri on December 17. An experiment for the consolidation of the Muslim vote was begun in Assam under a similar banner and did well in the last assembly elections. It has 11 MLAs and came second in some two dozen constituencies. Maulana Badruddin Ajmal Qasmi promised at the Mumbai convention that an MUDF would set up candidates in every constituency in the next assembly elections. Its aim would be to defeat both the Congress and the BJP. He warned the Congress, which had got the Muslim vote in the state for six decades, that the days of bondage were over, and the Muslim vote had grown up: it was not going to be satisfied with toffee anymore.

It is a long journey from desire to destination. There will be pressure and deviation; some attempts to purchase some leaders will possibly succeed. But such language has never been heard from a Muslim platform in Maharashtra.

Simi Garewal sees a Pakistan where there isn’t one. Antulay will not see a Pakistan where there is one. But Simi is a fringe factor; Antulay sits on centrestage. Antulay is a Cabinet minister, who has provided sustenance to those Pakistanis who are trying to fool us into believing that the terrorism in Mumbai was an instance of Indian security failure rather than an invasion sponsored by Pakistani elements.

I am amazed at the sheer gall of both the spinners in Pakistan and the Antulays in India. They seem to forget that there is a Pakistani canary sitting in an Indian jail, singing out the plans, preparations and objectives. Nine dead men and their masters are being exposed by the tenth man, the man who did not die.

If this is the state of deception and self-deception when one terrorist has been caught, what would have been the level of denial if all ten had died?

Cynicism is a staple of vote-driven politics. We all know that. I was na├»ve to believe that our nation’s security would remain outside the reach of cynicism.

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